Reefton Jack

Joined

• started 1 topics
• posted 368 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Reefton Jack

• 
  58

  UK "shoot to kill" - mixed up justice

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  how stupid is this .... the police execute an innocent man going about his lawful business ... no charges.

  someone exposes the information showing the police lied and covered up facts about the killing ... arrest her !!.

  what a pathetic excuse for a justice system we have.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4280238.stm.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Reefton Jack

  The old story, Simon, "the law is an ass!"
• 
  239

  Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.

  all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.

  the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Reefton Jack

  Kid_A,

  Thanks for that!

  I had of course read of that court case before, but could not recall the exact details.

  For those on this board, and who are interested, it would be possible to access the actual court records of that case - "The Persuers Proof - Walsh vs. the State" from memory.

  While still (trying to be) a loyal Dubbie, I had that flung at me one day while engaging in the "Field Service". There is no denying the obvious, and for me, that was about the final nail in the coffin of swallowing yet more WTS bull~<#t.

  Jack.
• 
  239

  Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!

  by VM44 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.

  all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.

  the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Reefton Jack

  Scholar,

  Regarding your remarks about "celebrated WTS Scholars":

  - That is just the trouble; there is no scholarship amongst that lot!

  It begins with the principal of the New World Translation Committee (Frederick Franz) - who could not speak Hebrew, and whom only ever had a very brief tuition in Biblical (Koine) Greek - and it goes on from there.

  Which WTS "scholars" do you have in mind, and what are they "celebrated" for?

  About the only achievement that the WTS could be credited with is running an excellent book publishing empire.

  As for being accomplished bible scholars, though - I once believed that (bloody fool!) - but it proved to be one more of the cruel illusions the WTS had us believing.

  Jack.
• 
  93

  SHOULD I PIONEER OR COLLEGE?

  by stillAwitness in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do you think the wt has become more lenient or stricter over the year?.

  i am 21 and i remember just 4 years ago going to college was looked at as something negative.

  girls my age, we had plans to be ft pioneers and become secretaries.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Reefton Jack

  You won't find too many serious posters here who would advise you to pioneer rather than go to college.

  Go to college now while you have the chance to do so:

  (i) This opportunity may never present itself again.

  (ii) It is almost impossible to get a decent job without a university degree.

  Points (i) and (ii) have already been learned the hard way by all too many of us:

  - There would have to be literally millions of people around (both inside and outside of the "Truth") who have been hurt by the WTS bull<#$t about "the time left is short", "college will harm your faith", "the only way to have a satisfying life is to pioneer" ect. ect. ect. (or words to that effect).

  - Bear in mind, too, that pioneering is not for everyone ; even not for most people, as witness the high drop-out rate of those entering the "Full Time Service."

  At the end of the day, who is going to provide for you?

  - The WTS sure as anything you like is not going to!

  - You surely do not have to be a Rocket Scientist / Brain Surgeon ect. to figure out that you are entirely on your own when it comes to that.

  (As Stevenson, in his 1967 book "1975 - Year of Doom" stated - ' No other religious group demands so much from its members, while in return giving so little back.')

  No doubt you have been "assured" that Jehovah provides."

  That one is a bit like the Dervishes in the Sudan:

  -Their leader (The Mahdi) assured them that "their faith would make them bullet proof." However, if they did get themselves shot, "it was their own fault for not having enough faith."

  Don't try to re-invent the wheel on this matter - learn from those of us who have already been hurt by the WTS lies and stupidity.

  (Remember, stupidity has been described as "doing the same thing over and over again, while at the same time expecting different results to happen.")

  My thoughts anyway, writing from the remote depths of a Third World country :

  - where I am currently working; because without a degree, it is almost impossible to get a decent job in a developed country.

  Jack.
• 
  23

  Jehovah’s Witnesses and Education – A Brief History

  by Nicodemus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  jehovahs witnesses and education a brief history .

  it is only the ignorant who despise education.

  publilius syrus, moral sayings, first century b.c.e.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Reefton Jack

  I remember all those articles - 1969, 1971, plus many more others - only all too well.

  In those years, I desparately wanted to "do the right thing" and consequently followed the WTS party line:

  - Which is why I am working where I am now, somewhere "the other side of the black stump" - because without a university degree, you cannot get a decent job anywhere that is civilised !
• 
  17

  Are you still "Mad" or "Angry" at the Watchtower Orgaization?

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  did your "anger or hate" for the jw organization go up or down since you left the org?

  when you read all the stories on this forum about other people's experience, does your anger resurface?.

  could you go as far as saying that what they did to you or your family is unforgivable, keeping you constantly mad at them.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Reefton Jack

  I am still bitter towards the WTS, despite it being eleven years now since I broke with them.

  At times, though, I surprise myself with how trusting I still am towards JWs. Just today, the local Kingdom Hall approached the Power Supply Company where I work, arranging to get some new wiring inpected and connected. Such was my confidence in the the WTS to do things strictly by the law, that I did not even question that the work had been performed by properly licensed tradesmen.

  (Usually, I would mount a mini-Spanish Inquisition!)

  But no, I think I will resent forever the Watchtower Society as a mind control cult - for the harm it inflicted on me, and the harm that it continues to inflict on others.
• 
  25

  Scotland worst for violence ! America is not bad :)

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  you are twice as likely to be assaulted in certain commonwealth countries than in the good old us of a!.

  however, this was a telephone poll of victims ... i guess if you've been shot you wouldn't have answered the phone .

  still ... quite interesting reading.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4257966.stm.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Reefton Jack

  LittleToe,

  Many common household / garden shed items can be made into something dangerous, also. This includes such items as:

  - Icing Sugar

  - Garden Fertiliser

  - Petrol

  - Styrofoam

  - Empty Glass Bottles

  - Brake Fluid

  - Swimming Pool Chlorine

  I am not going to go into details, though - or they might think that I am running a training camp for terrorists!

  PS: The above list is by no means exhaustive.
• 
  25

  Scotland worst for violence ! America is not bad :)

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  you are twice as likely to be assaulted in certain commonwealth countries than in the good old us of a!.

  however, this was a telephone poll of victims ... i guess if you've been shot you wouldn't have answered the phone .

  still ... quite interesting reading.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4257966.stm.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Reefton Jack

  Simon:

  A typical Pommie remark about bullets - I like it!

  I can't resist adding though, that bullets on their own are of little harm, without a gun with which to discharge them from.

  Your comments about violence being much more lethal when firearms are involved is right on. Having grown up around firearms as I have, you have a healthy respect for just how deadly the things are.
• 
  25

  Scotland worst for violence ! America is not bad :)

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  you are twice as likely to be assaulted in certain commonwealth countries than in the good old us of a!.

  however, this was a telephone poll of victims ... i guess if you've been shot you wouldn't have answered the phone .

  still ... quite interesting reading.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4257966.stm.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Reefton Jack

  "Guns don't kill people, people kill people. "

  Maybe.......... but it is a bloody sight easier to kill somebody with a firearm - which is why the things were invented in the first place.
• 
  29

  Were there any professionals in your congregation?

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  .

  i was just wondering if you had any doctors, lawyers, pyschologists, psychiatrists, engineers or any highly educated ones in your congregation?

  .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Reefton Jack

  JH - we had a similar difficulty with the doctor as you had with the mechanic!